Reckoning the legal and practical significance of the United States deportations case

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  1. You have heard it said that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but verily I say unto you, absence of evidence is evidence of guilt.

    1. Absence of evidence against these poor people *highlights the risk they pose* and *demonstrates that they are terrorists*.

      I mean, just wow.

      If the US government has little or no evidence against most of the people in the US, or around the world, presumably on that impeccable logic it just demonstrates that we are all terrorists, liable to arbitrary detention or deportation or worse.

      Outsourcing the detention of prisoners overseas is an extension of the commercial model of prisons and immigration detention employed within the US already, a Kafkaeque maze described recently by the Guardian from which is can be almost impossible to escape. To the commercial advantage of the operators.

  2. Small editing suggestion, it’s not clear what a “TRO” is, perhaps explain that when introducing the phrase? Google tells me it’s a Temporary Retraining Order.

    Otherwise, highly informative, thank you.

    1. Me: “It seems three flights were made before the government complied with a “TRO” interim injunction of the court.” – making a point of defining TRO on first mention as an interim injunction of a court.

      You: “[…] it’s not clear what a “TRO” is, perhaps explain that when introducing the phrase?”

      Me, weeping: what more can I do?

      1. Ah, fair point, I will read more carefully next time. Keep up the good work, always an illuminating read.

  3. “Every paragraph in a witness statement – or indeed in any formal court or other legal document – is there (or should be there) for a reason – to perform a particular job. That paragraph 9 was thereby not put into the witness statement by accident: it had to explain something the government realised needed to be explained – or explained away.”

    I would like to offer an alternative theory. I believe at play here is an intoxicating cocktail of hubris and incompetence.

    1. indeed it is….and all not much* more than another addition to what we know to be the ‘Overwhelm’

      * used lightly, but apologetically

  4. In his declaration to the court invoking the state secrets privilege, Rubio states:

    “the compelled disclosure of the [flight] information sought in this Court’s Minute Order threatens the foreign relations and national security interests of the United States even if that information is provided ex parte and in camera”

    He also has a (currently published) retweet of Nayib Bukele’s video in which the tail number of the plane (N837VA) is clearly visible from the @SecRubio official X account.

    He himself has therefore published that that plane was involved. It just happened to take off at 1745EST on the 15th of March from Harlington to San Salvadore and was therefore 1 hour in to a 2hr 17min flight when the Court told Government counsel:

    “[Y]ou shall inform your clients of [the Order] immediately, and that any plane containing [members of the class] that is going to take off or is in the air needs to be returned to the United States . . . . However that’s accomplished, whether turning around a plane or not [dis]embarking anyone on the plane . . . , I leave to you. But this is something that you need to make sure is complied with immediately.”.

    I’m fairly sure Rubio has either declared under the threat of purjury that he has damaged US National Security and / or he had already published the facts needed to show that the defendents willfully ignored the court.

  5. Is there a point in the process where the Govt will be made to ‘stick’ to a particular set of legal arguments, or are they free to keep ‘evolving’ their defence throughout?

  6. If the US government could prove that all the deported individuals had some meaningful association with TdA, even though no specific crime on US soil could be proved against some of them, would that not strengthen the government’s legal argumentation?

    1. Meaningful association? Like one’s cousin was in the gang or one know’s someone from school who joined the gang. Is that meaningful? Does that suggest that one is an enemy?

      Is having been a member at one time (because they may have felt compelled to join) but later having run away to escape the brutality grounds to conclude that one is an enemy alien? We must bear in mind that these plaintiffs are seeking asylum.

      Even having once been subject to an enemy nation or government, would they not be entitled to have their asylum claim heard in order to determine whether there was a real prospect they might be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment, which the UN Declaration on Human Rights forbids?

      1. I used the term “meaningful” to exclude such instances as those you mention.

      2. Meaningfulness is in the eyes of the beholder. A person who has been a member of that gang has a meaningful association with it. The only meaningful association that bears on this proclamation is current membership.

        A person who is still a member of that gang is already inadmissible under the INA and can be deported on that basis. Either way requires due process to which the United States has failed to give effect.

  7. Horrifying. Are there echoes here of the “extraordinary renditions” of the early 2000s?

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