“Twelfth Night Till Candlemas” – the story of a forty-year book-quest and of its remarkable ending

The day before the Winter Solstice, 2024

55 thoughts on ““Twelfth Night Till Candlemas” – the story of a forty-year book-quest and of its remarkable ending”

  1. What a marvellous story (on every level)! So glad you found it, and discovered more about the author!

  2. Fascinating story. I have two stories that I heard on the radio at my Grandma’s when I was about 6 (ie mid 1950s) that I have never been able to track down. Maybe I will try again in light of your success.

    Of course Candlemas is once again now celebrated as “Groundhog Day”.

  3. What a wonderful story – and story within a story. Thanks for writing it David, and three cheers for Charlotte!

  4. As a librarian who, like many in our profession, is currently wrestling with teaching students about the benefits and pitfalls of the proliferation of AI tools, and what each type is and is *not* good at (including the tendency of large language models to fabricate extremely plausible answers to questions without any cross-checking with reality) this was a perfect Christmas story for my last working day of this year. Thank you and enjoy your unexpected Christmas book!

  5. Nothing serious. Just Brilliant both in the efforts by the librarian/archivist and in the doggedness of Dan.

  6. Fabulous post, and greatly heartwarming! My mum was a librarian all her life until retirement, and still volunteers in that capacity and as an archivist. I can therefore attest to the truth of your assertion as to the noble nature of those professions! Merry Christmas.

  7. What a wonderful story, it shows both the huge benefits of the world wide web for people to help each other in personal quests and questions and also the dangers of relying on the next big thing (ChatGPT/AI) to solve everything.
    Congrats on finding the book after so many years – but what will you look for next year?

  8. What a lovely quest and I am so glad you found the story you were looking for. A couple of years ago I was trying to find a book I’d loved as a child and eventually found it by googling (“The children who were left behind” by Bruce Carter) but there is another that I can’t track down but you’ve inspired me to keep trying! Happy Christmas!

  9. What a great story – remarkable perseverance to uncover the book and very salient messages for today.
    Thank you – a real pleasure to read.

  10. How wonderful that you have your story back (needing a book you can’t find is a very special sort of itch) and that the malevolent goblins of ChatGPT/AU have been defeated by the Noble Professions! This is certainly my Christmas story for this year. Thanks for sharing it, David, and very best wishes for the holiday season.

  11. I feel like I’ve been sitting by an open fire, embers glowing and my cheeks flushed as I listened to a wondrous Christmas tale, an adventure of discovery and perseverance, of goodness and kindness. Thank you for telling the tale, a joy and a delight. It gives heart to the reasons to continue in the search for truth, meaning and true value. With a perfectly happy ending. Excellent.

  12. I enjoyed this story about a story so much. So glad you found it at last. Agree entirely with Kathy about the defeat of the malevolent goblins. I was particularly impressed that the back cover of the book was indeed purple, just as you remembered. Happy Christmas everyone.

  13. Thank you so much for this wonderful and very relatable account of your determined search for a much-loved book and story. I too have searched for books from my childhood, with limited success, and the details in your blog are very helpful so I will use them to further my ongoing search. Sparkling!

  14. That is a delightful account going from years of thin, fruitless search to unexpectedly fruitful results at the point of success.

    A most enjoyable read, and so appropriate as a start to the season.

    Happy Christmas!

  15. David – thank you so much for this; one of the happiest bits of reading I have enjoyed in a very long time! And a lovely new account to follow on bluesky!

  16. Well! Wasn’t that a lovely way to start the weekend, I’ve spent time on the Internet looking for books from my youth but never for so long 😁

  17. As usual, very interesting. I had not heard of ‘The Christmas Brand”, to be laid up till next. Always something new to be found in dark corners.

    Glad you found your book. Merry Christmas to all.

  18. What a lovely story of persistence, but also of the old style of writing and folklore which is not much appreciated nowadays.

  19. It is a great story of persistence over the years. It also contains lessons regarding memory and recollection especially interesting from someone who has an awareness of rules of evidence
    It’s clear that your memory was mostly accurate but had gaps which were not significant enough to fool a librarian.
    Congratulations to you both.

  20. This is a beautiful story, and turn of events. I’m slightly saddened that I was one of the ChatGPT ‘goblins’ in this otherwise lovely tale, but three cheers to all the Noble Professionals! Still – thankfully – much needed, even in the age of A.(not very, yet).I.

  21. Wow. Heart warming, and a bit tear-jerking at the same time. Thanks for sharing the details of your quest, a truly epic tale of adventure, villains, heroes and heroines.

  22. On a similar tack, I’ve been looking for a book I had (and lost). I can remember its (paperback) cover (it was a photo), but Google image searches have proved fruitless. I can remember(?) snippets of it, but remembered “things” again produce no useful results from (text) web searches. It was a book of stories, chronologically sequential ones of an individual.

    The cover picture? Someone canoeing over a (vertical drop) waterfall.

    Just in case someone has seen or read the same.

    1. Collector (and former teacher) of childhood literature of the 20th and late 19th centuries here. It would help to know the decade in which you read it, whether it was hardback or paperback, whether you are American or British (or Australian, Kiwi, SA, Indian, etc.), how old you were when you owned and read it, etc.

      I threw The Last of the Mohicans and some other search terms into Google, just to see what might come up (it does not match your memory of sequential stories, but it helped me to figure out what terms to use in the search). I came across Canoeing With the Cree by Arnold E. Sevareid, but if, for example, you are looking for an old Scholastic Books club paperback, that wouldn’t be it. If you can narrow down the variables and plug in some terms like: “paperback editions canoe waterfall cover,” and select Images, you may come across your treasured memory. I hope you do!

  23. What a fabulous story with a very satisfying ending. Our Christmas decorations are never left up after 12th night. Just tradition, of course, definitely not superstition. It’s a bugger trying to type with your fingers crossed though.

    Happy Candlemas

  24. Fascinating story – perhaps the start of your own Remembrance of Things Past novel. Wishing you a merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

  25. What a brilliant story to (almost) end 2024 with – I recognise and relate to do many parts – especially false memories – I hate to think how many times I’ve been on my own similar wild goose chase with trying to search for something but being foiled by a false memory of a detail.

    Just yesterday I encountered the same poisoning of knowledge by AI when searching for assistance on a computer related problem.

    Merry Christmas, and thank you for exercising my mind for another year through your commentary – I always smile when I see the notification that my monthly subscription has been paid! 🙂

  26. David, thank you for the write up of a lovely story to which I can very much relate.

    I too am looking for a book I read as a child which has stayed with me all these years.

    It was a post-apocalyptic graphic novel that I borrowed from an American school friend around 1981.

    Like you, from time to time, I make further enquiries. I once checked every title in a database of graphic novels published prior to 1983.

    Like you, I have to question if all of my memories are factual.

    Perhaps, following your success, it is time to renew my search.

  27. This is very pleasing to me, as I had memories of the same goblin/christmas decoration folklore and had been unable to pin them down. Like DAG my memory was incomplete, but in my case only remembering a few key aspects: twelfth night/Goblins coming through keyholes/smashed crockery and other mischief. I still have no recollection of where I came across it.
    For a long time, and having had no reason to discuss it with anyone else, I assumed this was common folklore shared by everyone.
    It was not until we started having decorations in our own household (early 2000s) that I had occasion to mention the need to take decorations down by 12th night, which was not controversial, but also the obvious (to me) dreadful consequences of not doing so. I was astonished to find that firstly my wife had never heard of this; and then nobody else in my family had heard of it either. I had somehow acquired some folklore with quite precise details (12th night, goblins coming in through keyholes, crockery smashing) that nobody else at all knew anything about.
    At various times I tried and failed to track it down with web searches. I vaguely attributed it to my late grandmother, although nobody else in the family recalled her mentioning it.
    I think I came across DAG’s annual twitter posts on this last year, and it was my first inkling that perhaps some other people had heard the same story. So of course the conclusion this year is very pleasing indeed.
    I was 12 in 1980, and as a child we certainly made use of those school book clubs – so this ties up well.

    1. I remember the folklore (especially goblins breaking all the crockery) from a children’s book of facts and puns.
      It was illustrated by Quentin Blake – and after 20 minutes searching his extensive gallery of book covers, I think it was Funny Business
      https://quentinblake.com/books/funny-business, although I don’t remember the cover being yellow…

  28. I’ll take this post as a prompt to thank Helen of Archifdy Ceredigion Archives.

    Based on my recollections, she tracked down a cartoon which appeared to show me and my friend published in the Cambrian News in 1985. I had lost my clipping of it some 25 years ago.

  29. This post was a surprise! I usually find myself agreeing with a point of right-headed sense flowing from some legal nonsense that you’ve pinned down. But today I’m just keen to find my own copy of this wonderful book. Not only is it edited by Dorothy Edwards who wrote our family favourite “My naughty little sister” series – but it has reminded me of a childhood favourite prayer “From ghoulies and ghosties, and Long Legged Beasties, and Things that go bump in the night – Good Lord deliver us”. Can’t be bettered.
    I’m delighted your quest has come to a close in such a positive way, and wholeheartedly support your views of the huge value of real people and librarians in particular. I also have examples of Chat GPT proposing some apparently plausible but factually totally & utterly incorrect response – be afraid, be very afraid…
    All the best for 2025. Thank you!

  30. What a fantastic story about a story; thank you! The funny thing is, that book cover looks very familiar from my own childhood in the 1970s….

  31. What a wonderful story to encounter on Boxing Day! I’m a member of the Noble Profession of Librarians, so I’m quite chuffed to read about Charlotte’s excellent work. I’m also someone who is in the process of tracking down books remembered from childhood, so I rejoice with you at finding a story you loved.

  32. I’m a bit late for this party, but allow me to briefly intercede with a very similar, completely different, unrequited and alas unrequitable search, perfectly illustrated by your now ex-conundrum.

    Having been very pleasantly uplifted by your story (and historical excursion) I felt compelled to write to tell you just how much I loved it.

    Except of course, uplifting as it was, it couldn’t in all honesty compare to that dizzying, all consuming, throw-caution-to-the-wind feeling, for which we are encouraged from a young age to gamble the rest of our lives.

    The problem being, the only real alternative in such circumstances is to tell you how much I liked it.

    I may as well have told you it was ‘nice’, since both words, in my opinion, suggest a minimum of effort and lack sincerity and are therefore, unlikable.

    ‘Really liked’ feels like an unsatisfying compromise, while adore is too strongly suggestive of worship.

    Sanskrit, has something like 96 different words for the various forms and degrees of love, yet the language of Shakespeare can muster but one.

    I’ve mulled potential candidates for as long as I remember, without finding a word that sufficiently fulfills the criteria I want expressed by the word I can’t find.

    The point of all this is, I liked your story much more than just liking it, and loved it much less than loving it, and hope some day a Charlotte or Vicky will successfully fill that unfortunate descriptive void?

    If, as I suspect, you’re thinking this comment is leaning awkwardly towards the ‘weird’, look no further than your opening suggestion.

    It appears I sat down very comfortably, with an “(un)suitable seasonal drink”.

    Hiccup New Year!

    PK

  33. This was such an inspiring read, as I currently have a similar project that has been going on for 15+ years now. There was a book of short stories I had as a child (10 – 12 years old, back in 1990 – 1991 time frame) that I got at a school book fair, and I vividly remember one of the stories about a hunting party getting trapped in a cave during a blizzard. Over the years I’ve gone through search engines, library indexes, asked on reddit (/r/whatsthisbook), probed ChatGPT, and all the other activities you’ve mentioned (except posting on Bluesky, may have to do that next). About 1x/year I spend 2 – 3 days intensely searching and then give up for another year.

    Congratulations on finding success! Your post gave me some renewed energy to pick it up and pursue it again, and to try some new avenues to see what I can turn up.

    1. Well, of course, there is the delightful classic 1993 book by Janet Ahlberg called It Was A Dark and Stormy Night about a boy who gets trapped in a cave/ kidnapped by brigands. Only 32 pages so short enough for an anthology.

  34. I’m struck by the similarity of the names “Ruth C. Paine” and “Ruth Ainsworth”. I can’t help wondering if somewhere in the ocean of data behind ChatGPT’s spew of falsehoods it had the real story, and the author’s name emerged in garbled form…

  35. As a rare book curator (and currently also a book indexer, and former archivist), to my colleague Charlotte, I say BRAVA!!! There’s no substitute. I’ve had similar hallucinations with ChatGPT. When asked to give an overview of my latest book (Twelve Trees), it authoritatively offered up a number of trees that are mentioned nowhere in the book. Etc.! Great story, and thanks!

    Dan Lewis
    The Huntington Library

  36. David, that was an enthralling and fascinating read on a cold January Saturday morning, thank you.

    , It took me back to ‘Listen with Mother’ which me and my mum listened to religiously every weekday afternoon before I started school. I could read before I started school, and my nan suggested mum should get me to join the children’s part of our local library, and a lifetime love of reading, books, and words was born.

    I still have my treasured and battered copy of Winnie the Pooh which my dad read to me as a bedtime story, with a different accent for each character. His Australian accent for Kanga was truly dreadful. But all of human life is in that book, as far as I’m concerned, including a hostile environment when Tigger first arrives.

    So I’m absolutely with you on the continued need for librarians and archivists, Noble Professions indeed.

    All the best to you x

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